[YesAuto Model PK] Two days ago, the editorial department came to a concept S1 test car. The concept is the first domestically-owned brand model launched by a joint venture manufacturer. In fact, this is the previous Honda Side’s change of its own brand car logo. As for The price did not bring any surprises. The concept S1 we saw is a 2011 1.5L automatic luxury model, priced at 99,800 yuan, which is the most expensive in the entire concept S1 car series.
Seeing such a price, the first thing that reminded me was the Kia K2 1.4L Premium ECO AT priced at 9.99 million yuan. Both of them are very close in terms of model price and positioning. The price difference is only one hundred yuan, so the situation of tit-for-tat is still rare. Today we will take a look at these two rivals with the same positioning and extremely close prices, and which one performs better.
In today's comparison, it is a pity that we only found the entry-level Kia K2 1.4L automatic transmission model. Therefore, in the appearance comparison, the two cars will have some differences. However, you don’t have to be too anxious to fight the injustice for the Kia K2, because in the comparison items of the article, as long as the configuration is involved, we will use the Kia K2 1.4L Premium ECO AT.
● Appearance: Kia K2 is more fashionable, the design of Concept S1 can not make people forget Honda City
Concept S1 adopts the design of Honda City in its shape design, so in terms of style, it feels much older than the Kia K2. Even if it uses blackened headlights, the turn signal is also placed on the reflector, but these changes in details, it is difficult for people to have a new understanding of it.
In contrast, the design of the Kia K2 is more fashionable and dynamic. The Kia brand has made great progress in the design of models in the past two years. The design style of Kia K2 has borrowed a lot from the elements of Kia K5. In terms of body size, the length and width of the Concept S1 are larger than those of the Kia K2.
Although the concept S1 is slightly larger, the wheelbase is 120mm shorter than the Kia K2. As for their actual riding space performance, we will show you in detail in the following comparison. The side lines of the two cars are very smooth, the proportions are also fairly harmonious, and the designs in many details are very similar.
In the use of tires, Kia K2 has to perform better. The tires are not only wider, but the size of the wheels is larger, and the style is more attractive than the concept S1. However, the Michelin XM1 tires used in the Concept S1 are more expensive than the Kia K2 Hankook tires. What is the actual performance? Let us follow the test to reveal the answer.
In the design of the rear of the car, many details of the Concept S1 try to make it show some sense of fashion, but after all, the model is already very old, just like a 40-year-old woman can't fight the young 20-year-old no matter how she puts on makeup. Girls, not to mention fashion. Compared with the concept S1, the shape of the Kia K2 is more fashionable, and the sense of hierarchy is better.
● Interior: The design and craftsmanship of the Concept S1 are very general, compared to the Kia K2 feels more refined
In terms of interior design, the styles of the two cars are quite different, and it goes without saying which one is fashionable. In terms of the overall assembly process, the entry of Korean cars in recent years can be said to be rapid progress, both in design and assembly process. The black sides on the center console increase the sense of class, and the slightly tilted center console allows the driver to operate more easily.
The interior of the Concept S1 still uses the previous Honda City design, and the workmanship is still in line with the performance of the previous joint venture brand. In the assembly process, the two cars can be said to be basically the same, but the design style concept S1 is a bit outdated compared to the Kia K2. Compared with Kia K2, the advantage is that the size of each switch is very large, it is easy to use, not too difficult, especially for consumers who have driven the old Fit or Sidi, they are more familiar with it. .
Both cars use a leather-wrapped steering wheel. Kia K2 is not only equipped with multi-function buttons, but the steering wheel is also adjustable up and down. The steering wheel of the Concept S1 cannot be adjusted. For the driver, it is more necessary to adapt to the car itself. Moreover, the steering wheel of the Concept S1 is thinner, and the feel is not as good as the Kia K2.
In terms of configuration, the Concept S1 doesn’t even have a reversing radar. As a whole, it does not feel the advantages of its own brand. Even when compared with joint venture brands with the same price, it is still at a disadvantage, and there are no basic configurations. Can not accept.
● Riding space: Although the shape of the Concept S1 has been on the market for many years, the space performance is still remarkable
For this level of vehicles, family transportation is their primary task, so the performance in the riding space is also an important indicator to measure which is good or bad.
In the comparison of the ride space, the Concept S1 performed better. As a model that has been on the market for many years, it is not easy to have such a performance. The performance of the Kia K2 is also good. As a family car, its performance is still acceptable, but it is slightly inferior to the performance of the Concept S1.
In terms of space, both cars performed well, and the floor of the rear row was also very flat. Even if three adults were in the car, the space under the feet of the middle passenger would not be too cramped. In terms of comfort configuration, Kia K2 performs better. Not only can the driver's seat be adjustable in height, but the front row is also equipped with a central armrest.
● Storage space: the overall performance is basically the same, and the humanized design has a good performance
In terms of storage space, the storage compartment of the front door has a slightly inferior spatial performance concept S1, except that there is no place for the water bottle, and the length is also shorter than the Kia K2. As for the rear door, neither car has a storage compartment designed, and the storage space for rear passengers is very mediocre.
Although there is no cup holder on the door of the Concept S1, a cup holder is designed under the center control panel, and it performs well when placing bottled water. There are two upper and lower storage compartments in the front passenger position, which are very convenient for storing items. Moreover, on the 2012 Concept S1 model, the storage compartment above the glove box has an improved design and an upper cover is added, so that it will not let it inside. The item slipped into the compartment.
The storage space of the Kia K2 center console is slightly inferior to that of the Concept S1, except that there is no upper storage compartment in front of the co-pilot, and the sound system occupies a larger position on the center control panel, which somewhat loses storage space. In the middle of the front seats, the Kia K2 is not only equipped with a central armrest, but also has two additional cup holder designs, while the Concept S1 is too simple, with only two simple storage compartments. The storage space in the middle of the front row of the Kia K2 can be regarded as some compensation for the center console. The overall performance of the two cars is similar, and there is not much difference.
● Trunk: Concept S1 is dominant in space, Kia K2 has better scalability
In addition to the storage compartment in the car, the most commonly used in daily use is the trunk. In terms of size, the space of the Concept S1 is deeper, but it loses to the Kia K2 in terms of opening and ground clearance. In use, in addition to the difference in space, the backrest of the Kia K2's rear seats can also be folded down in proportion, while the Concept S1 does not have this function. In terms of space expansion capability, Concept S1 completely lost to Kia K2.
● Child seat: Concept S1 does not have a child seat, and there is not enough attention to children in the car
The safety of children in the car has always been the focus of our attention. As a model mainly used for home use, the equipment of the child seat interface is also important. Unfortunately, we did not see this equipment on the Concept S1. Such performance makes it difficult for people to think that it is a family-oriented car. In contrast, Kia K2 is equipped with ISO FIX child seat interface as standard. It is hoped that while paying attention to profits, manufacturers can also implement the basic safety configuration. An excuse will not increase any cost, but for the family, this is a safety guarantee for the children, so this configuration should be obtained. Highly valued.
● Maintenance: the cost within 60,000 kilometers is not much different
Everyone is very concerned about the cost of daily maintenance for family cars. We use 60,000 kilometers as the measurement standard to see who can save more money on the maintenance costs required for these two cars to travel 60,000 kilometers.
In terms of the maintenance mileage interval, both cars are 5,000 kilometers. In terms of air filter replacement frequency, the concept S1 is 20,000 kilometers, and the Kia K2 is 10,000 kilometers. In terms of maintenance costs, the maintenance cost of Concept S1 will be slightly lower than that of Kia K2 on the basis of not calculating the labor cost, but the cost of labor cost of Concept S1 is slightly higher. Please consult the 4s store for normal maintenance. Concept S1 is 100 yuan, while Kia K2 is around 70 yuan, so in the maintenance comparison link, I think it can be regarded as a tie.
Compared with so many, the Concept S1 has a slight advantage in terms of riding space and trunk volume, but it has no outstanding performance in other aspects. With a price of nearly 100,000 yuan, it is not even equipped with a reversing radar. Compared with any model of the same level, this performance is really unreasonable. If we say that it has the mature background of Honda in technology, then the fuel consumption and maintenance costs are not outstanding. What is more worthy of attention is that its braking distance is actually longer than the Kia K2 by more than 3 meters. This performance is probably very good. Difficult to win the favor of consumers.
The Kia K2 performs better in terms of design and configuration, and the rear seats, which are rarely equipped in Korean cars, are down so that the trunk of the Kia K2 is more expandable. Of course, this equipment is not the case. The standard equipment of the whole series is only equipped with the 1.4L Premium ECO AT model we used for comparison. However, compared with the concept S1, which is very close in price, the price difference of 100 yuan is worth paying. What's interesting is that the 1.6L Premium AT model is also priced at 99,000 yuan among all Kia K2 models. In terms of configuration, one-button start is added to the top of the 1.4L model, so if you are not satisfied with the power of the Kia K2 1.4L model, you can also choose the 1.6L model. As a result, the advantages of Concept S1 in acceleration may also be defeated.
Concept S1, as an independent brand, is really unkind in terms of price, and the configuration does not show the advantages of independent brands. I think it is more about treating itself as a joint venture brand. Such performance will certainly not be recognized by consumers. The same type of brand models are not only very cost-effective in terms of price and configuration, but the only concept is in this regard. “Being unique”, I hope that manufacturers can correct their own positioning of the concept S1, otherwise it may lose miserably in the same level. Of course, unless the manufacturer’s intention is not to sell cars, but to respond to the country’s compulsory requirement for joint venture manufacturers to compromise on the policy of owning its own brands, so that consumers can see that this car is not cheap, so I might as well buy it. If one of Honda’s other models is in this way, I think the goal of Guangqi Honda has been achieved.
[YesAuto Evaluation] The concept is that GAC established an independent brand in 2008. As its first model, the S1 rolled off the assembly line in March 2011. This model is developed on the Sidi platform, which has long since been discontinued. At the same time, everyone has a lot of controversy about its appearance without changing the soup or medicine. Is this car worth buying? How can it impress consumers, or can it make a difference in this fierce small car market? In order to give you an intuitive conclusion, this time our dynamic pair is better than summoning the Kia K2, which performs well in all aspects in small cars. At this price level, these two cars may be the target models in many people's minds. At the same time, these two cars occupy the forefront of the car home small car list. They are priced below 100,000, economical and practical, and performance supplemented. , Many people put them on their candidate list at the same time. How to make a more suitable choice for you from them? I hope this article can answer your questions today.
● Power configuration
The engine equipped for the Concept S1 is from Honda's 1.5-liter VTEC naturally aspirated engine, the same as Sidi. Compared with the takeoff L15A7 engine, the power and torque are lowered accordingly. What is worthy of recognition is that Honda’s own parallel-shaft 5-speed gearbox is still matched with it. Although 5 forward gears are not new, considering that the competitors are basically 4AT, so in the small car market It is fairly competitive. In addition, the full set of powertrain Chengdu comes from Honda, and the degree of harmony in operation is satisfactory, much better than the patchwork of temporary partners.
Kia K2 uses a 1.4-liter naturally aspirated engine code-named G4FA of the gamma series. The data is good from the book. Compared with models of the same level, the advantage is obvious. The S1, which is 0.1 liter larger than it, is not much cheaper. . It is matched with a very ordinary 4-speed automatic gearbox, which requires smoothness in work, without any bright spots.
It is not difficult for everyone to see that this car has no passionate elements in the configuration of the power system, simple and unpretentious, no high-tech, and no S-block. Everything is pragmatic to meet the consumer's home needs.
● Fuel consumption test
At the same time, place, and driving style, the two cars are one behind the other. We conducted a fuel consumption test on the Concept S1 and Kia K2. The road conditions include 20km/h urban congested roads (about 20%), loops and highways; 1 driver and several photographic equipment; 120 kilometers of testing Later, we finally got the average fuel consumption value of both sides: Concept S1 1.5AT is 5.56L/100km, Kia K2 1.4AT is 5.29L/100km. Both of them, who are located in the family car, completed the task very well. The main highlight here is the comparison of the fuel consumption of the two cars, which does not represent the overall fuel consumption of the vehicle . The actual fuel consumption in the city will increase slightly.
|Idea S1 and Kia K2|
|Idea S1||Kia K2|
|185mm tires||175mm tires|
|5-speed automatic transmission||4-speed automatic transmission|
|Quality of preparation: 1058KG||Quality of preparation: 1087KG|
The curb weight of both is less than 1.1 tons. The Kia K2's 4-speed gearbox is not advanced enough, but only 175mm wide tires have played a role. The Concept S1 has a 5-speed gearbox and has a good performance with a lighter weight. Looking at it this way, it is difficult for these two cars to charge gas.
● 0-100km/h acceleration results
You can hardly experience the performance gap between these two cars by daily driving alone, and the test data is the most intuitive. There is not much difference between the cars in the 100-kilometer acceleration, the Concept S1 has 13.1 seconds and the Kia K2 has 13.59 seconds.
From the data point of view, there is not much difference between the two cars. The weak power makes the entire acceleration process surprisingly flat. It can also be said that it is slightly anxious. The moment I stepped on the accelerator, the concept S1 was more sensitive to throttle adjustment, so I rushed out first. After a gear shift, K2 slightly caught up, and then S1, which had the advantage in displacement, continued to widen the gap. The advantage is maintained to the end. The K2's engine is quite good in daily driving, but it seems a little weak in this extreme sport, and there is a significant attenuation when the speed is close to the red line. But who is interested in buying these two cars, who cares about these tenths of a second? They are all small family cars, so you can walk to and from get off work on your behalf, there is nothing else to ask for.
● Brake test
The braking performance is very dramatic. The K2 with 175mm tires took 42.24 meters to stop, while the concept S1 with 185mm tires took 45.3 meters to stop. A closer look at the graph below found the reason, and we continued on. Look.
Both of these cars use the front and rear drum brake systems, and the braking performance is more than we expected; the concept S1 with Michelin wider tires is significantly behind the Kia K2. I studied the graph above to analyze the problem: The braking force of the two cars is relatively good. The tires of the Concept S1 can't catch the ground at the 15th meter. The fluctuation of the G value curve below shows that ABS has been involved in the work early, and the time is very long. Very often, in short, the Concept S1 is defeated by the tires.
The configuration of the Concept S1 on the tires is quite interesting. The 185/60 R15 Michelin Energy XM1 low rolling resistance tires are properly configured and worthy of praise; small family cars, of course, the more fuel-efficient the better. This Kia K2 is not comparable because it is a low-profile version, so it is for reference only. Hankook Optimo 175/70 R14 tires are used, which pay more attention to noise control and daily durability. One more thing, for the wheel shape, the S1 is simple and stylish, and the small steel wheel of K2 is not mentioned, but I personally feel that the small picture on the right is equipped with the K2 wheel shape, but it is much more refined than the S1.
● Daily driving experience and summary
So far, the hard indicators and some data about the two cars have been introduced. Now let's talk about the performance in daily life. They are not suitable for traveling through the streets, or creating surprising data in the test field. They can complete the daily transportation tasks very well, and forget all the sense of road and push back.
Don't worry about driving these two cars on the road. When driving on a normal loop, even if you want to overtake a car, you need to step on the floor deeply or directly oil the floor. At the same time, it feels like a snail crawling when accelerating, adjust your breathing, maybe you can also take a look at the girl outside the window or talk about today’s the weather. It's a bit difficult to experience the invigoration of acceleration from them.
GAC adjusted the throttle of the Concept S1 very cleverly. It started at a low speed to 60km/h and it was relatively brisk. With a weight of less than 1.1 tons, it rushed out with a lighter throttle. After the middle section, it is very soft, roaring and not rushing forward, so it is especially suitable for the role of scooter in the city. The performance of the K2 is basically the same as that of the S1. It is very easy to drive at low and medium speeds, including moderate accelerator and brake pedals.
Many netizens reported that the position of the A-pillar of this car is relatively obstructive. Looking to the left in the normal sitting position in the picture is like that. The door and the A-pillar block nearly one-third of the field of vision, and when you turn to the left, you really have to shake your head. In fact, this design of Honda is also to increase the strength of the front of the car body, but from another aspect it reduces the safety of driving. At the same time, the steering wheel and the driver's seat cannot be adjusted, so it is not easy to find a comfortable driving posture.
Both family cars use torsion beam semi-independent suspension, which is normal, so I won't say more about the advantages and disadvantages. The overall feeling of K2 is better than that of S1, and the restraint of body roll when entering a curve is also more determined than that of S1. The concept S1 manufacturer claims that this suspension has been strengthened, and the actual driving is indeed a bit more resilient than the Sidi.
However, after entering the curve, the suspension of the Concept S1 seemed to be a little hesitant, swaying, and the driver had to slow down and pass. Of course, both cars are tuned for comfort. Don't expect to find sports elements on the suspension and chassis. The control is just relative.
Concept S1 has good chassis rigidity during high-speed line changes, and the comfortable tires understeer during the winding process; Kia K2 tires have good grip, but the steering wheel is not sensitive enough during intense driving, which creates a little for the test driver. Trouble, I hope the manufacturer should refine the steering mechanism.
● Noise test
The performance of the two small family cars in the noise test is basically the same, and they are all qualified results. Kia K2 is slightly better. Reason We think that the assembly process is one reason, and it is also related to the tire. In the same situation, the smaller the contact area with the ground, the lower the noise generated by the decibel. The 5-speed design of the Concept S1 also seems to have advantages, especially at high speeds, the 120km/h cruise is 2600rpm, which is much lower than the 4-speed Kia K2. Despite this, the Concept S1 is at best tied with the Kia K2.
to sum up:
In this battle for family cars, the two models have similar results in comparison tests, and even the fuel consumption is basically the same. However, the concept S1 has inherent advantages compared to the same level of models. Honda’s 5-speed gearbox, original 1.5-liter engine and Michelin’s XM1 tires, as a joint venture independent model, shared after-sales service with Guangqi Honda at this level. Very competitive. The spacious interior space and very low fuel consumption can also satisfy consumers' requirements for a small family car.
To say that the imitation of the Concept S1 is more obvious, and it seems not appropriate, this is completely changing the discontinued Sidi to a new logo. Whether it looks good or not, I don’t comment too much. Everyone understands it. After all, everyone’s aesthetic concept is different. The idea seems to want to narrow the distance of consumers through the homologous relationship with Guangqi Honda, but I really shouldn't take things that have been discontinued for a long time and replace them as new products. Looking at the most realistic problem, the price of 69,800-99,800 is really not kind, and if you want this Honda gearbox and engine, you can only buy this top model for nearly 100,000 yuan. In fact, there are many options at this price, such as Sunshine 2011 1.5XE Comfort Edition CVT, Fit 2011 1.5AT Deluxe Edition, Rena 2011 Hatchback 1.4L GT AT, and European brand Carnival 2011 Hatchback 1.5 Automatic Fashion Type, etc. Wait. Doesn't the manufacturer really think that with the idea, it can be a cloud? To gain market recognition, more needs a sincere heart.